Bret Schnitker, Emily Lane, Eva Hughes
April 23, 2024
Eva Hughes 00:01
One of the things I really love about Latin American fashion Summit is that they have created a tribe, a community, where we're working together where we are helping each other. And it's been work and we need to continue to generate that idea that to be stronger, we have to be united. And together, we are better than standing alone.
Emily Lane 00:35
Welcome to Clothing Coulture, a fashion industry podcast at the intersection of technology and innovation. I'm Emily Lane.
Bret Schnitker 00:43
I'm Bret Schnitker. We speak with experts and disruptors who are moving the industry forward and discuss solutions to real industry challenges.
Emily Lane 00:51
Clothing Coulture is produced by Stars Design Group, a global design and production house with more than 30 years of experience.
Emily Lane 01:01
Welcome back to another episode of Clothing Coulture. We are recording this episode in the heart of Women's History Month. And we thought it would be wonderful to bring a very vibrant, influential woman onto the podcast to talk about being a woman in leadership and the challenges that that we can face in this space. We are welcoming today, Eva Hughes. She's the former CEO of Conde Nast in Latin America and Mexico and founding Editor in Chief for Vogue, Latin America and Mexico. Holy smokes what a resume she has. Today is known for being an incredible speaker consultant, She's the executive vice president at Istituto Marangoni Miami, we have a real powerhouse here. And I happen to love Ava that you are also a woman who is very dedicated to the empowerment of women. So welcome. Thank you for being here. Ava,
Eva Hughes 02:03
Thank you so much for that wonderful introduction. And really, so happy to be here with you. And Bret, since our meeting in Miami. Now. Here during the podcast. I'm very excited. Very, very excited, very happy. It's an honor.
Emily Lane 02:19
We're delighted are just absolutely delighted. When we spoke, we had an opportunity to learn a little bit about, you know, some of the challenges that you faced, as you were breaking new ground in the in, in this industry. And in Latin America and Mexico, I'd love for you to share a little bit about maybe some of those key challenges that that you discovered, managing yourself in what was considered a man's environment?
Eva Hughes 02:53
Well, it's really interesting, because in the context of leadership, and throughout my career, and because it was vocalized in Latin America, and I was single, and a woman and young, it has been very crucial for me to always emphasize the importance of self awareness, and personal growth. And one of the most significant challenges. Of course, being a woman in Latin America was navigating the social norms and expectations, for example. And this is something that we discuss the scenario where I'm at dinner, and I invite the director of one of the departments at the company with his wife, and then what happens if my husband would have been there, my invisible husband that didn't exist? Who would he talk to his wife? Would he talked to him, who do I talk to the woman, and these, again, are back to the social norms. And so the challenge is confronting the situation and addressing the situations head on, especially in terms of gender roles, and what happens when you're in those situations, because it's very easy to talk about, you know, what we have to do, really think yourself, be confident, own the space that you're in, if you're in the room, believe that you're there for a reason, because you deserve it. But what happens when you are in other situations that are social, and especially coming into new generations, because at the time, I was kind of an outsider in the fact that I wasn't married, I didn't have kids, but now more more people, more women are going to be encountering that situation and what's going to happen then. So for me was a clear lesson in that self awareness and awareness of the situation and how to deal with those situations when they come to you and not to take them either personal as an issue, but rather like this is what it is. This is what I have to be aware of. And based on the circumstances that are going to happen in the social norms, especially in Latin America, especially again, like I mentioned, being a woman, young, I was the youngest Editor in Chief, I was 37 when I became CEO. So I think that I had to learn very fast how to adapt to those situations, and then reflect on them, and how to address them if they ever happened to me. But I still haven't figure out, what would I do? If I would be in that situation again?
Emily Lane 05:34
Did you receive any coaching to help you as you are defying social?
Eva Hughes 05:40
You know, it's funny, because I didn't receive any coaching in terms of social norms. I don't think it's a very valid point that you're bringing it, I never received that coaching. I don't know if it exists. Because it's so personal and unique to each one of us. I mean, I wish there would be a book about how to deal with those situations, because it depends on the character. Like, for example, me being alone, there wasn't probably so difficult, it was a bit more challenging, because I had to be a host to both my director in terms of our relationship and his wife from that other relationship. So it's more work probably, well, probably not, it is more work. And it requires being being in two situations in two relationships. But that was kind of easier. For me, the challenge was with this invisible husband that didn't exist. And so I don't know how you can coach in those circumstances, because it would depend a lot on each personality. What I think is probably my conclusion, but not a solution is if I would be in that situation, again, will be to relax. Like, and maybe discuss it beforehand with a partner, like this is what's going to happen, just be aware that his wife is coming. And he's there. Remember that, you know, he works with me. And let's try to play smart the situation. So there's nothing uncomfortable from any of the parties involved, or something like that. So again, we go back to one of the leadership skills that I focus a lot on, which is communication, whether it is with a team, whether it's a partner, a friend. So I think maybe that could be an idea. But again, it presents a big challenge.
Emily Lane 07:42
You talk about the husband that didn't exist, I'm wondering if being in such a visible power of leadership, did that compromise your personal life?
Eva Hughes 07:59
I maybe thought so for a moment or two. But then I've realized that is just what it was, you know, I'm a firm believer in destiny. And maybe, you know, this is not shared by many people. There are many of the thing that you create your own destiny. I think that we do create our own destiny. But sometimes we have to Let life surprise us. And it has a path for either we don't understand why certain things happened, why I'm in this situation, and then you get it. So it wasn't for you. But definitely, I think it made it much, much harder, because I had to interact with a lot of couples, married people in a social scene, there was a social factor to my job. That is something that you don't discuss about because, you know, when you're giving a job description, yes, I have to represent a boat in different social events. But to really network you have to be in in with certain people, and they're married and you're there alone, and you have to behave in a certain way. And again, back to the social norms that are very important. I don't know for a while, again, I thought that it was a factor and then I've come to understand that I just have to let life be and destiny be and be happy and enjoy my life and not care about anything else.
Emily Lane 09:26
Yeah, I think that's a really great point. I've, I try to always try to remain open to possibilities and you know, if you if you get yourself too committed to this is what we have to do. This is the path you you limit yourself.
Eva Hughes 09:43
Absolutely.
Emily Lane 09:44
You know, along your journey as you've kept your eyes open for that opportunity. What what are some maybe wonderful surprises that came your way?
Eva Hughes 09:55
Well, there have been many, many, many surprises. And, you know, many, many accomplishments as well, but definitely surprises in my career. First of all, I never thought that from being a volunteer at South Miami hospital, taking care of kids, Healthy Kids, the sons or daughters of doctors, and so forth, I still have my uniform, by the way on my badge, that I would go into working as editor in chief of a magazine in Miami when I was 24. And then the rest of my career, and the view would have sat down with me and said, This is what's your journey is going to be all about. And by the way, when you think that it's over, you're going to have your own company, and you're going to be working at this fashion and design school, and you're going to be doing all of these things I would have looked at you like you're absolutely crazy. And I'm sure that you have a great tarot reader or something like that. But no. And I think that my accomplishment is not mine. Because I think that for all the hard work and dedication and passion that I've put forth, and resilience, and intuition, I am very grateful about the people that have surrounded me always that have supported my path, that have believed in my vision, even, you know, the people that I worked for selector, which the owner interviewed me, I went there for an internship position, as he saw something in me that I had not seen. And the same with Conde Nast, when I wasn't really the best option, I was just in Miami, right time, right place. But there were a lot of great Editors in Chief that had been working on waiting for that opportunity who were excessively more talented than me. So I think that at the end is again, and this is something that I speak to students now at the school and to people that I coach is that we today we live in a life that we need to have answers for everything. This is my journey, my five year plan, this is what I was going to happen tomorrow. And I believe in the power of uncertainty. Yes, it can bring you a lot of fear and anxiety. But in an uncertainty, there is a path for surprises. And for things to happen organically, back. I don't know, a few years ago, I didn't understand what was happening. Why are certain things taken place? Why do certain situations, you know, happening. And then I've realized this, when this is a repeat situation, instead of saying, I don't get it, I am now like, I am sure that there's a reason for this. And I'm going to embrace the lesson, I'm going to embrace the situation, and I'm going to make the best out of it. But I think it's in terms of going back to the accomplishments is been working with great people, good people, and also enduring some not nice people that have come into my life, put obstacles on my way, tried to run me over. And I have, you know, had the resilience to not, you know, not let it happen, not let them drive me of my road and my long journey. So, I mean, I could speak of many numbers and many things that I have done. But I think the biggest one is the people that I have worked with. Because without those teams at the beginning, when, you know, I didn't have a name of my own in terms of an industry, or, you know, credibility. It's those people that believe in you, that are probably the ones that you have to be most grateful and most happy that you've encountered or you know yourself with.
Emily Lane 13:51
You talk about embracing the situation good and bad. And, and I'm curious about some of those, those surprises on that side of it, where it's, this is a difficult situation and I we're gonna have to make a pivot here. Can you share with us an example of maybe a difficult challenge that you've you've had to take on and and help overcome through a new and surprising way?
Eva Hughes 14:22
Well, there have been many challenges in my career, but I have to tell you that I would say let me highlight like two one of them is having a self confidence. I think that most people that I I encountered throughout my career felt that I was very assured of myself and my beliefs and my ideas. But at the end, I probably wasn't as confident as I projected myself to be, you know, sometimes we would come across as somebody but in reality, we're probably somebody As you know, it looks good. Sounds good. But is that really how we feel
Bret Schnitker 15:05
That impostor syndrome to a degree, right,
Eva Hughes 15:07
right.
Bret Schnitker 15:08
We think ahhh
Eva Hughes 15:10
Yes, do I really have it, you know, and what I've learned, what I've had to learn and understand is that the first person that I have to sell the idea onto is not the exterior world at myself, I can do this, I believe in this, this is a good idea, do not doubt have the confidence that this is the right path. And because my nature has always been to protect, and to be careful, like I'm not an adventurer at all, sometimes I am, but the majority of times, I'm much more cautious, that kind of really
Bret Schnitker 15:48
Career says otherwise. Editor taking on these massive organizations in Latin America, your your experiences otherwise,
Eva Hughes 15:58
Bret,
Bret Schnitker 15:58
you're underselling yourself a little bit
Eva Hughes 16:00
I know but maybe you know what it was, I can be adventurous in that way. And you're completely right. But then, you know, I've been more cautious. So it's having that confidence and believing in myself. And then it's been to really, you know, to really never give up, and refusing to let anyone really dictate my boundaries, or limit my potential. So that's how I have learned to really trust my intuition and listen to that gut instinct, especially when dealing with uncertainty or my own fear of making mistakes. Because I think that it has been really powerful to say, I am confident not because I'm selling it to you, but because I am confident of what I have to say, or do or overcoming things, and then having that believe in my own decisions. And you know, many times when you are with people, and they see that you're very assertive, and then they're like, Well, I don't I'm not sure about that. And I have had to learn to ignore those people, because they are putting out their own fears. Because they don't think they can do it. But that doesn't mean that it is your own fear.
Emily Lane 17:15
Are there any tools or processes or resources that you you've liked? Or can recommend for helping other people who are, are struggling with confidence or dealing with uncertainty?
Eva Hughes 17:30
That's a really great question. I think that is very unique to each one of us. But I think the first step is to acknowledge that something is not really working. And it's not necessarily because there's anything wrong with you. But because it's, you know, we have to tune up, you know, our own our own interiors, we have, you know, like a car, something is not working, right. So first of all, understanding that we need to tune out, and then go out and look for the help and not be so you know, this is a fine line. Because many times if we're in a work environment, and you're a leader or you're in a position of leadership, or maybe you're working with teams, you don't want to sound very vulnerable, and tell everybody how you're feeling in a specific moment, because that can be counterproductive. But on the other hand, and a big fan of just getting it out there and normalize it, like, you know, I'm struggling with this. And this is something that I want to work on. And I want to find the resources, do you know, anybody that can help me with this, and it doesn't mean that there's again, anything wrong with you, but that you're working on Betterment yourself. Now, look out to people to mentors, I'm always cautious about family because they always have an idea of what you're supposed to be and do. They always they give good advice. But sometimes you have to put some distance, find a coach if you have the resources to do so, or you find the right one that you have chemistry with. And that can really understand how you can work on yourself and then just you know, something as simple as close your eyes, close your eyes, breathe 1 2 3 times and just reflect on what is bothering you. And look inwards because many times the answers are in us in each one of us, but we just don't have the time the patience or we have the insecurity that we're we're going to find we're not going to like and believe me that even if you don't like it for you're going to really love is the end result when you get that covered and done with so I've put invisible drawers beneath my desk and all my little you know little monsters out about I call them monsters little little bellows.
Emily Lane 19:57
It makes them somehow cute
Eva Hughes 19:59
With little cute monsters that we don't need many times, you know, I have these drawers and invisible drawers and I say, You know what, you're gonna come in right here, and I'm going to keep you there, and I'm going to take you out, I decide when I need you, you don't come out when you want to. And that has a lot to do with our ego. And I don't mean the ego in our own self importance by our pride. That means, you know, when we have to be micromanagers you know, when in reality, it's what's required of us for a specific moment, what ever it is, I have learned to have invisible drawers, and also that self awareness, understanding what is my own rhythm? How, what triggers me? What do I need, and, you know, sometimes we're not going to feel great. And I've learned to be able to tell people, they know, I'm not having such a great day. And it's fine, because tomorrow is going to be much better.
Emily Lane 21:03
I'm noticing a real theme here of self awareness. And I'm really leaning into that. And I like, I like what you were talking about, about, you know, getting getting the struggles out there and normalizing that the truth of it is is so often we are afraid that if we do that it's going to, we're going to appear weak, or that we don't deserve the position that we're in and in truth, by by being more transparent, your pet that shows a great deal of strength, you know, we're all human, we don't know everything. It's okay to, to need help and reach out for it. So I think that's great. I also love managing the monsters I'm going to fill some invisble drawers today.
Eva Hughes 21:48
The little one, the little ones, the little happy ones.
Emily Lane 21:52
That's right.
Bret Schnitker 21:53
You know, it's interesting, I've got a question when you when you were 24 years old, you're in an editor position, and you've risen to these other positions. Looking back, because you had so many obstacles to overcome age experience, a woman in a man's world in Latin America. But these people saw something and put you in these positions that you even had said recently, you know, it's like, wow, I, I achieved these positions over all these different things. And now that you look at yourself back to that 24 year old, what was this management style that broke these barriers and got these people to get behind you and thrust you through this amazing career path that you've had?
Eva Hughes 22:41
That's really a great question. You know, I don't want to sound too much into myself, but I think it's charisma. I'm looking back, I honestly think that it's a charisma, I always thought imagine that I was very shy, and an introvert. And I remember some years ago, I met up with somebody that I went to high school with. And we were talking and I said, you know, when I was in high school, I wasn't that popular. And she looked at me and she said, What are you talking about? You were a very popular person. I had this idea of myself, I was completely wrong. And I think I had a lot of charisma. I've always been very social, and been a very good communicator, people like to talk to me, I'm a good listener, I'm very curious, I engage with people, I look you in the eye. And I'm interested in what you have to say. And even today, my friends, closest friends will tell you when you are with me, I am with you. 120% I'm not looking at my phone. I am not distracted. I am engaged with you and the situation at hand. And I think that engagement with people are connection. That ability also to network has been essential and understanding people I think my mom had a lot to do with that. Because she was such a strong, you know, persona, incredible character, you know, her alure her presence. And when I was in select, everybody wanted to invite my mom to events, but she didn't want to go to events and she became kind of my, you know, I want her to come to the events. So she became my focus group. I, She was my first test. And I was able to achieve through much work and emotional intelligence, that she would have come to our events. So I think I I owe it, you know, some gratitude to my mom for giving me that experience on how to handle certain situations and circumstances. She was a lot into emotional intelligence. She was somebody that didn't give you a curfew. She would say just don't come late. And I would look at her and say so 11 As you like to be like, you know, you know, you know, so I never knew, when was it a good time to come, but nothing ever happened. So it was okay
Bret Schnitker 25:14
Hearing you say all these things, you can see how walls would drop in that conversation you made people very comfortable in that space, you made them heard you made them listen to and that I can see how that overcome, overcame so many of the things that would normally, you know, stall out.
Eva Hughes 25:34
Also paying attention to your environment, many times we go into meetings, and we're so I don't want to say full of ourselves. But we're so focused on saying the right things and, you know, acting a certain way that we forget to look at the person in front of us. So many times in the coaching with people executives have to work with their leaders, and they have to have some tough conversations, I always tell them, if you're gonna go ask for a raise, you know, just don't go in thinking this is what I have to say and act like a robot, like, instead, walk in and understand the environment? How's the day of the person going on? Do they look stressed? Do they look relaxed? Is this the right moment, because you have one opportunity. So reading the room and be more aware of others is extremely important. And again, I go back to South Miami hospital, those three four year olds that I had to help taken care of, they taught me a lot of great lessons about being invisible, but not invisible. For them. I was extremely relevant, but I had to I had to stay out of their way. But take care of them, be on top of things, but let them be themselves. So I think that there are a lot of lessons throughout my journey that are way before the time that I started being a leader. But I have to tell you that when I went to college, it's funny, because this is the way that I have always presented myself. You know, first time I arrived, students, my fellow students thought that I was a teacher and not a students. I don't know how helpful that was. But I think that's that's what it is.
Emily Lane 27:30
So a passion flamed by your mom, helping support women and empowering them, or there's any initiatives that you're behind that helped to continue that legacy?
Eva Hughes 27:45
Well, I think my passion for you know, empowering women is is really is really fueled by, you know, deep commitment to advocating for gender, gender equality, and creative creating inclusive environments. So part of what I do is mentor women and or coach with more than mentor coach women, and support other women in their initiatives, and providing all the tools and the resources that they really need. And I think from my experience, it has been really helpful to them, to listen to somebody being honest, direct, vulnerable, and sharing my own experiences. And this has helped them along the way. And I also believe that in whatever position that you're in, in a company, you should always worry about the legacy you leave for the person that comes in after you. So not only don't do things only for you do things for the collective, when you're accepting a pay rise or pay situation or salary that is below what your job entails, do not think about you think about what your legacy is to the next people that come after you whether it's a man or a woman, regardless of gender, or any gender at all, that they should have, you know, equal pay, and there shouldn't be any differences. And I think that I've always been, you know, a big a sponsor of those ideas, and throughout my work and throughout my contact with other women, and really inspiring them to believe that everything is absolutely possible and that we have to get rid of these ideas that sometimes are not infused to us by social standards, but by our own limitations, maybe by our own education that we have received, that you know, how we have to act, how we have to be what we really have to be act more and be more the leaders that we are by nature. So I think that by those situations, I've been able to give back and also through you know being part of the advisory board of the Latin America American Fashion Summit, it's been really great to work with the founders, and to really see how we can continue to advance the position in women and fashion in Latin America. And whenever I get called, to help with something regarding that issue, I am on board 100%. I always tried to be there. But the way that we make a difference is not by the big places that we attend, or we participate is by the invisible actions that nobody's watching, where we allow for bigger participation of other women. And by showing example, where we nurture each other, and we show respect, when somebody comes and tries to hurt you, you don't hurt them back, you understand that they're one wounded animal, and that what they need is your empathy and compassion. And that's what I believe in 100%.
Emily Lane 30:59
Yeah that's, that's, that is all really poignant. I really also appreciate the focus on making sure your intentions are in the right place. Right, leading with the leading with with the heart. Absolutely.
Bret Schnitker 31:15
And speaking about obstacles, you know, we were talking about when we are in Miami, something that has always challenged me about our fashion industry in general. We always look to our east Europe, we look to our west Asia, but it's rare that the United States look south, there's so much amazing opportunity and design and creativity as we look south of the border. But we just as a nation don't do that. Why is that happening? Do you think Eva because you just have so few brands that are represented? Well, in America from Latin America,
Eva Hughes 31:50
I think we have to do much more in terms of being present. How can people think of you if we're not there? Where do we have to be that we haven't done a lot of brands? If we think about they come to Miami. And they do a lot of things in Miami, or New York? But is that America? Is that where they have to go? Where do we have to go? As an industry, in terms of fashion in Latin America was so many talented individuals? Where do we have to go so that the right people see the talent and the opportunity? Our customers and consumers seeing the offering? Do they understand there's a lot that has to be done. And in terms of awareness, and, you know, integrating this fashion into the day to day life. So I think that it has to do also with what initiatives need to take place, and led by probably governments in Latin America, that they have more presses in the US, I know that they have done a lot of work, some countries in trade shows, and you know more about this than probably me. But they we need to do a better job. It's I don't think it's just a conversation about being a trade show. I think it's bigger than that there is an enormous opportunity. And we have to show we have to show up and we have to change problem to the conversation. are we approaching this the right way? I think it's more of a question than an answer.
Bret Schnitker 33:32
Yeah. And I look at trade shows, and I see, hey, the whole conversation about nearshoring. And people wanting to now all of a sudden look more south than they ever have before. So that's an opportunity for apparel and garment manufacturing. But boy, it's just for us, there's so much talent when we were traveling in El Salvador, these brilliant designers not being represented at all in America, and you and and these weren't styles that you go were intrinsically Latin American, or that would fit only within Miami or whatever you were just seeing brilliant, beautiful designs that would go anywhere. And it just it, you look through American, you're just like, from a designer standpoint, you can tick off all the designers of note, there's just such a little representation of Latin American designers.
Eva Hughes 34:16
And also it has to do with the perception of immigrants. Also in the United States, because I've had to face that now I think things have changed for the better in terms of fashion. But many, many years back, I remember, you know, contributing with a foundation of El Salvador and many people were like, surprised, you know, what are you doing with the foundation of El Salvador? I mean, and comments that were very shocking in terms of their own perception of people from countries like El Salvador, Central America, or many from South America. You know, you think about the The you know, perception of Colombians for many years, was really, really tough. And so I think that we have to change the perception of what is, you know, what is the culture? What is the essence, what is the magic of some of these countries in Latin America, and that you know, what our own misconceptions of that representation because of the reality of migrants in the US, and many times they are the ones
Bret Schnitker 35:28
That is a microcosm of Latin America, by the way. There's a diverse, diverse group of people.
Eva Hughes 35:36
Absolutely, and talented and, and incredible, and like you say, the work that they do, and when you go to these countries, you realize, oh, wow, this is incredible, this should be out there. But a lot of also, a lot of the work and responsibility relies on the individuals on the collective system, and also on the government's to be able to do a better job in representing or bringing out these designers in the right format. And way, because the talent resides in in each of these countries, but many times not every country's advanced, as in the case of Colombia, because of you know, everything that the government has done in promoting textiles and promote or like Peru, the same story for Peru, and some are lagging behind. And I think that there has to be more work that is done there. And hopefully, it will get done it also designers in each of these markets have to work more closely together. One of the things I really love about Latin American Fashion Summit, is that they have created a tribe, a community, where we're all working together, where we are helping each other. And it's been work and we need to continue to generate that idea that to be stronger, we have to be united. And together, we are better than standing alone. But many times many brands feel that being with others, is not helping them out, it slows them out. And we have to change that idea.
Bret Schnitker 37:14
Same conversation I had in El Salvador, when we were talking with a bunch of these different designers to build a coalition, you know, you are you are stronger together, especially in this case where you want to have a groundswell of awareness. And, and I think I am 100% agreement that there needs to be because in many cases, even in El Salvador, there was this lack of knowledge about how to market to the US. And I think these these coalition's are are things that like that you're involved in, that's so critical, there needs to be this kind of Latin designer Chamber of Commerce to, to really create some excitement and awareness about what's happening in terms of apparel,
Eva Hughes 37:53
I think we need to create an executive program, I used to go to Istituto Marangoni Miami, to maybe help some of his brands, I mean, we've done it in the past. But I think we there's an opportunity out there to create a program to do something that is very robust with the right people, and to help people out. But I also think that, you know, besides doing something at the school, it has to be in each done, it has to start in each one of his local markets. And it has to start with education, with access to capital, with opportunities, and for many people to feel inclusive in the conversation. Because some of the artisans sometimes are excluded. And we need to make sure that they understand that how they can help their own businesses. I mean, don't sell things cheaper than what they are, is think about what you're your brand or your work, as a business. Have a mindset of intrapreneurship. And I think that the conversation is there. And hopefully in a couple of years, this will improve.
Emily Lane 39:07
There's so much wonderful insight and advice that you have to share. I feel like we could just talk for hours here. But as we as we wrap up our time today, in this particular conversation, I do have one final question. Is there any advice that you'd like to share for other women on the rise or women who hope to be on the rise in the near future? Oh, well, be on podcasts?
Eva Hughes 39:38
Well, you know, I think that there are many things that I can give in terms of providing terms of, of advice. But I think that maybe the most important one is a you know, believe in you. And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be Listen to outside voices that believe in the true you. And not let anyone ever doubt of your own possibilities. It's okay to have boundaries, it's okay to go slowly. It's okay to have dreams. It's okay for things not to work out. But believe in yourself, Have the faith that you need. Go with your gut feeling. And understand that failures and mistakes are very powerful opportunities for success. In first time you make a mistake, and it hurts, let your hurt the bad and good feeling, you will never forget it. But that will make you better and stronger. I think that sometimes we just have to believe in the things that happen. And in the lessons that are coming our way to become better and better and better. And now when I make for example, from my own perspective and mistake, instead of it hurting, I understand that it's for a reason. So have that faith and conviction. Because, you know, at the end of the day, it is true, that if somebody invites you somewhere, it's because you deserve it. If you are invited to a boardroom, it's because you belong there, and have your own voice and not let anyone take it away from you. They are not going to be people that like you. And people don't have to like you, people have to respect you. And if they respect you, then you have accomplished something beautiful as a leader. Because many times we confuse people are liking us, for people respecting us. And we're indoors is that respect of your own character and stay strong on your values? Say No, when you have to say no, be open to the endless possibilities of change, and embrace what's coming your way. And when you shine, shine, and shine big.
Emily Lane 42:11
I love that
Bret Schnitker 42:11
Can I take that advice for us guys. Honestly, that's just good advice. I just had a wonderful therapy session. Thank you, Eva.
Eva Hughes 42:20
Thank you. I'm giving that to myself again, I'm reminding myself of all of these things.
Bret Schnitker 42:26
All you have to do is listen to this because that was amazing. Oh, wow. I feel great.
Eva Hughes 42:31
So bathed.
Eva Hughes 42:35
I feel good to you guys have a really amazing and really wonderful hosts.
Emily Lane 42:40
Thank you so much for joining us, Eva. And don't forget to subscribe to stay apprised of upcoming episodes of Clothing Coulture.
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